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		<title>By: where&#8217;s my free market 2 &#171; threadpost</title>
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		<dc:creator>where&#8217;s my free market 2 &#171; threadpost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my free market 2    by kevin, on November 6th, 2009 In my last post on this issue I wrote about the oil and gas industries. With this post I&#8217;ll cover their [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. I&#039;m glad you enjoyed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed it.</p>
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		<title>By: RikiKiki</title>
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		<dc:creator>RikiKiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!  Very useful!</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Carlos,

I have to make a change. Just after I sent my previous reply I decided I needed to recheck my facts. My original mention of $127.9 billion was profit. Net income for ExxonMobil was $40.6 billion, for Chevron was $18.7 billion, for ConocoPhillips was $11.9 billion, for Valero was $5.2 billion, and for Marathon Oil was $4.0 billion. So the tax break is far less than 5%, but still, why does an industry making more net revenue than any other in history need a tax break? By the way, net revenue for the industry was $82.9 billion in 2006. Profit grew by 50% in one year. Does anyone believe that there was greater efficiency or dramatically increased consumer demand that would create such a large year over year jump? I&#039;m not a fan of windfall profit taxes, but I think there&#039;s incredible industry opacity which leads to a system that&#039;s far from a free market and likely hides questionable behavior. 

Thanks again for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Carlos,</p>
<p>I have to make a change. Just after I sent my previous reply I decided I needed to recheck my facts. My original mention of $127.9 billion was profit. Net income for ExxonMobil was $40.6 billion, for Chevron was $18.7 billion, for ConocoPhillips was $11.9 billion, for Valero was $5.2 billion, and for Marathon Oil was $4.0 billion. So the tax break is far less than 5%, but still, why does an industry making more net revenue than any other in history need a tax break? By the way, net revenue for the industry was $82.9 billion in 2006. Profit grew by 50% in one year. Does anyone believe that there was greater efficiency or dramatically increased consumer demand that would create such a large year over year jump? I&#8217;m not a fan of windfall profit taxes, but I think there&#8217;s incredible industry opacity which leads to a system that&#8217;s far from a free market and likely hides questionable behavior. </p>
<p>Thanks again for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carlos,

Thanks so much for the comment. You are correct. The national highway system, state, county, and local surface roads are a public good that we all benefit from. I raise the point because it&#039;s likely that large trucks do more damage and require more maintenance to road ways. Companies who derive financial benefit from their use don&#039;t pay an amount compared to use or impact. I also use road ways for business. To get to a client office or a job site often requires road travel. But an oil company uses those same roads to move their product to the retail location - it&#039;s vital to their business model. The delivery and distribution of their product is disproportionately dependent upon tax supported infrastructure. My use is not vital to my business model, it&#039;s tertiary. I believe that represents an indirect subsidy for any company that needs the roads to operate. 

Tax expenditure is the phrase EIA uses to describe a tax break. I used their word, but did use the wrong word - profit. The $127.9 billion was gross revenue. The 35% corporate tax rate would mean a $44.765 billion tax liability. That amount is then reduced by the $2.149 billion tax break - a 5% reduction. In my business, I feel pretty good if I can achieve 5% profit. I would be overjoyed if I was able to reduce my tax liability and double my profit. 

Thanks for reading my post and chiming in. BTW, I deleted your duplicated comment - hope that&#039;s OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carlos,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the comment. You are correct. The national highway system, state, county, and local surface roads are a public good that we all benefit from. I raise the point because it&#8217;s likely that large trucks do more damage and require more maintenance to road ways. Companies who derive financial benefit from their use don&#8217;t pay an amount compared to use or impact. I also use road ways for business. To get to a client office or a job site often requires road travel. But an oil company uses those same roads to move their product to the retail location &#8211; it&#8217;s vital to their business model. The delivery and distribution of their product is disproportionately dependent upon tax supported infrastructure. My use is not vital to my business model, it&#8217;s tertiary. I believe that represents an indirect subsidy for any company that needs the roads to operate. </p>
<p>Tax expenditure is the phrase EIA uses to describe a tax break. I used their word, but did use the wrong word &#8211; profit. The $127.9 billion was gross revenue. The 35% corporate tax rate would mean a $44.765 billion tax liability. That amount is then reduced by the $2.149 billion tax break &#8211; a 5% reduction. In my business, I feel pretty good if I can achieve 5% profit. I would be overjoyed if I was able to reduce my tax liability and double my profit. </p>
<p>Thanks for reading my post and chiming in. BTW, I deleted your duplicated comment &#8211; hope that&#8217;s OK.</p>
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